It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. Yet, Dan, you owned it. Thank you. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. . Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. All my legal fees got paid. How can we approve this? The devil is at work. That didnt happen. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Yeah, yeah. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. Hes a large imposing man. Guard your heart and keep it diligentlyfor from it flows the content of your life. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. He would probably be wildly successful. No, it wasnt edited. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. Come out of her, my people. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. I acknowledge my sin to you. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Thank you for taking the stand that you did. But this is a story that just is not going away. Visconti wins the Internet! And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Shame on you for reading scripture! Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. The Asbury Revival Is Over. If you went back to when the Elephants Debt was launched, I think this is telling. Like wow! I knew that there were hundreds of people, probably more, that were hurt that all this stuff happened. This is going amongst the elders now. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. Thanks that is hilarious!! And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. I think of a few things Julie. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. This man has been your pastor for decades. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. No One Knows. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. Honestly dont to this day. To donate, click here. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. And I dont need to know. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. And the pain is overwhelming. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. And it was a pretty tough meeting. They said no, for various reasons. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. What what were you thinking? Thats a Tuesday night. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. Thats right. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. I knew I had to do it. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. And Im just trying to smear him. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. And again, this was on the churchs dime. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? Thats what the weight was. James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 14, 2021. Very loyal to James McDonald. Jared Prayed for you just now. . So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. On that Haiti trip. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldnt they couldnt stomach what was going on any any longer. Yeah. Gary, Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? 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I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. But I knew I needed to do it. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. And everybody had to say, right? James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. Again, youre seeing it from a total other perspective where Im the bad guy, James is a good guy. Im Julie Roys. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. Literally more than two dozen people. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. And I sat and prayed. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? I wish I didnt. Well, youre welcome. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. Great! And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. No one takes joy in doing this. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. He teaches that wives should endure abuse like a missionary endures persecution. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. And I know its cost you personally. So lets move on to these letters. I remember saying we got to pray. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. You can unconditionally love someone. This was a many time thing. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. No, Im just reporting. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? And now think about this. He has always been a total its all about me. Theres no joy in doing this. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. 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